Stupid Alva.

Category: Geeks r Us

Post 1 by coasterfreak88 (The coaster freak is here.) on Monday, 07-Feb-2005 16:58:01

Why, oh why did they have to quit making OutSpoken? I might take a recording class next year where I'll have how to learn ProTools and I won't have support. Can somebody please tell me if VoiceOver will support ProTools? If you can't, who can I contact so I can find out if it will?

Post 2 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 07-Feb-2005 19:14:54

Nothing, as far as I know, support Slow Tools, it's absolutely and horribly graphic.
Can't you go with Sonar or possibly Logic?
Sonar is good, accessible and quite on par with Slow Tools, Cubase is another possibility and I think I've seen scripts for that, don't give in to the over priced world of Pro Tools if you can avoid it.
Cheers
-B

Post 3 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2005 21:02:04

Yeah I've heard Outspoken is dead and you can only pirate it which is illegal!

Post 4 by Puggle (I love my life!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2005 23:21:14

Ride man, there are ways of making protools accessible,but in my view, and I've also had to look into this this year for the course I also will be studying. It isn't the best way to go. I'll write a more detailed post soonish.

Post 5 by Puggle (I love my life!) on Tuesday, 08-Feb-2005 7:48:31

ok, here goes. The only way PT can be made accessible is if your are running a Mac system that is true OS9 bootable, you will need to be running OS9.2.2, which is the last of the OS9 Versions, you also need outspoken9.2 which is the last of the outspoken versions, and as caitlin said, quite illegal to copy. And I'll say no more on that, Ahem!
The most basic PT system you can get is an MBox which is just two stereo inputs at a time and can play up to 24 or 32 tracks at a time. It's not very robust
since it depends on the CPU's resources so, the slower the computer... you know the rest.
Aused Digi 001 system needs to be run with a desk top, so if portability is what your going for, like I was, then it wouldn't be your best bet.
The Digi 002 is a FireWire-based system that includes a control surface. That wouldn't be a bad system to have but it has one drawback: it doesn't have
a scrub wheel, which makes it a little clumsy when editing files. Not the end of the world though.
The MBox or Digi 001 systems can use a control surface like the MotorMate, Mackie Control, Mackie HUI, JL Cooper MCS 3800. In and ideal world, every blinky producer would have themselves a control surface. Unfortunately I'm going to have to flap my way through with out one for the time beeing. The MotorMate is probably the
best all-around, all things considered, price, size, functionality.
The other PT systems are TDM systems and are ridiculously expensive and not portable at al. The problem I found with using an accessible PT system was that it would hae to be an older PT system run on an older Mac system. Not the most desirable set up. and tat my colege, it was the latest version of PT run on a PC. In the end I decided to go with Sonar which as far as accessibility goes is the best for blinks by far, and is fast becoming industry standard, the reason why Sonar hasn't been so widely recognised this far is because till now it's audio wasn't very good, it was awesome for midi work, but audio wasn't great, it's catching up though, and as far as the interfase I'm told it isn't that different to cubase. In order for a blinky to use cubase successfully, you will need something called a Huston controler, I checked that one out too. Dancing dots have a set of scripts for sonar, called cake talking, apparently they are great, And ther are also an awesome set of free scripts that I will be using for the time beeing. Sonar 4 has just come out, and the free scripts work fine with sonar 4, caketalking hasn't caught up yet, and is still working only with sonar 3. I'm sure that the sonar 4 caketalking scripts willb e out soon though. The thing that sold me on sonar and not pt in the end, was that While It would have been great to be using what everyone else in the class, and indeed what all the industry pro's were using. I would have been on and older more out dated system over all, and As far as sonar goes, it just looks like full steam ahead for both the product becoming industry standard itself, and Accessibility for blinkies. If you want to pick some more brains that are far more technically savi than I on the whole thing, then I would suggest joinging the midi mag mailing list. the guys there are awesome, very helpfull and patient with explaining things. Write me if you want the details.
Good luck with it all.
Puggle.

Post 6 by fastfinge (I can't call it a day til I enter the zone BBS) on Tuesday, 08-Feb-2005 19:13:44

Speaking of macs....oh, uh. Should I start my own topic? Whatever. Right. I'm thinking of purchasing a mac instead of a new PC when VoiceOver comes out. I hear some people have betas of it already. How is its support for third party applications? Is it good enough that buying a mac would be worthwhile? I don't care about audio games as I never play them, all the stuff I play has ports to OSX, and I mostly use open source software that will all run just fine on OSX. So...is VoiceOver a decent system, or is it like Microsofts excuse for a screen reader? In short, should I go get a mac?

Post 7 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 08-Feb-2005 21:44:48

I never thought I'd see the day when Macs would possibly be accessible. Lol! Wow...

Post 8 by Star (Honorary Bitch of the Zone) on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2005 7:58:21

I have used macs for 6 years at my work place and now after 3 years of not using them I am back using one for my art classes. I had no problem stepping over. They are easy to use, and I love their design (the see-through monitors are soooo cool). If PCs were not that widespread as far as programs are concerned I would probably choose for a Mac. Maybe I will in another 2-3 years since the Mac technology is catching up fast, very, very fast. Star

Post 9 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2005 8:49:16

yeah, the see through screen are the most useful feature for the blind on a Mac I'd certainly buy one if only for that. ;)
Cheers
-B

Post 10 by fastfinge (I can't call it a day til I enter the zone BBS) on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2005 18:33:47

Hey, we're blind. We should use only the command line as obviously it's the only system that makes any sense for us! You should type fifty character commands to unzip a file, and like it! Lol, jk. The ravings of some blind linux users really get to me at times.